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    I came to the city I live in while on a backpacking trip. So I had 4 t-shirts, 4 shirts (knowing I'd have to work), 3 muscle shirts, 2 jeans, 2 shorts and some underwear with me.

    I've been here for 3 months and I haven't bought a single piece of clothing to add to that.

    The shit I own isn't even high-quality. It all just barely suits my needs. Like my phone is an absolute piece of crap.

    Only thing I spend a lot on is guitars.
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    The funny thing about minimalism is that it grows your limits of freedom in multiple ways. With the amount of things you buy drops the amount of money you have to earn. The less money you have to earn to get by, the more freedom you have in taking on the work you love to do anyway. I've been working for 800 Euros for the last two months, which is basically what you call survival minimum in my country, but I could survive on it and it enabled me to dive in the work I always wanted to do when I was older - years before I thought I could.

    The other, non-money-related thing about minimalism is that it helps reduce the bonds you have with things (and maybe even people, but I am not sure yet if this is a good or a bad thing) and thus the power these things have over you. The less things you own, the more free you are in leaving them behind, for example if you plan to travel. My brother spent about 350000 Euros on a house and had only like 100000 at this point. So for the next decade or so he will be paying back to the bank for this house, not being able to switch to another job he enjoys more but pays less, probably also not being able to move out of it too fast because he sacrificed so much of his time to pay it.

    I don't plan to ever go into debt or buy stuff this expensive. To own might just be the other side of the coin of which the first side is being owned.
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    And I wasn't the only slave to my nesting instinct. The people I know who used to sit in the bathroom with pornography, now they sit in the bathroom with their IKEA furniture catalogue. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

    You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5


    "If you don't know what you want," the doorman said, "you end up with a lot you don't." ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

    May I never be complete. May I never be content. May I never be perfect. Deliver me, Tyler, from being perfect and complete. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

    It used to be enough that when I came home angry and knowing that my life wasn't toeing my five-year plan, I could clean my condominium or detail my car. Someday I'd be dead without a scar and there would be a really nice condo and car. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

    Maybe self-improvement isn't the answer.... Maybe self-destruction is the answer. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

    ..you're not how much money you've got in the bank. You're not your job. You're not your family, and you're not who you tell yourself.... You're not your name.... You're not your problems.... You're not your age.... You are not your hopes. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 18

    All a gun does is focus an explosion in one direction. You have a class of young strong men and women, and they want to give their lives to something. Advertising has these people chasing cars and clothes they don't need. Generations have been working in jobs they hate, just so they can buy what they don't really need. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 19

    I've met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, "Why?" Why did I cause so much pain? Didn't I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can't I see how we're all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God's got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 30


    Best book ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlue View Post
    Best book ever
    It's one of my fabourites too, but check out other Palahniuk books, I'd say Fight club is my favourite together with Invisible monsters.

    “Experts in ancient Greek culture say that people back then didn't see their thoughts as belonging to them. When ancient Greeks had a thought, it occurred to them as a god or goddess giving an order. Apollo was telling them to be brave. Athena was telling them to fall in love.


    Now people hear a commercial for sour cream potato chips and rush out to buy, but now they call this free will.
    At least the ancient Greeks were being honest.” - Chuck Palahniuk, Lullaby, I think it's chapter 3 (all the chapter 3 of Lullaby would be a huge quote, pure genius)


    “No one wants to admit we’re addicted to music. That’s just not possible. No one’s addicted to music and television and radio. We just need more of it, more channels, a larger screen, more volume. We can’t bear to be without it, but no, nobody’s addicted. We could turn it off anytime we wanted.” - Again 3rd chapter of lullaby.

    “When you understand that what you're telling is just a story. It isn't happening anymore. When you realize the story you're telling is just words, when you can just crumble it up and throw your past in the trashcan, then we'll figure out who you're going to be.” -Chuck Palahniuk, invisible monsters

    "You know how you look at ugly hunchback girls, and they are so lucky. Nobody drags them out at night so they can't finish their doctorate thesis papers. They don't get yelled at by fashion photographers if they get infected ingrown bikini hairs. You look at burn victims and think how much time they save no looking in mirrors to check their skin for sun damage."- Invisible monsters

    "I'm only doing this because it's just the biggest mistake I can think to make."- Invisible monsters

    “Anything you can aquire is only another thing you'll lose.”- Choke

    “At some point, your memories, your stories, your adventures, will be the only things you'll have left.” - Choke

    I have not read all of his books, but the only one I didn't enjoy was Pygmy, it still has good quotes:
    "Real smarts begin when you quit quoting other people"

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    While on the subject of Figth Club.. here is some gold from masf anno 2005. This is about a slightly different type of minimalism:

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden;
    Replying to long emails... NO.
    Answering long phone calls... NO.
    Dealing with drama... NO.
    Gossiping... NO.
    Dwelling on stuff that I logically know is dumb... NO.
    Watching any TV or movie that isn't highly creative and perspective altering... NO.
    Living in cities that aren't world class calibre... No.
    Time wasting... NO FUCKING WAY.
    People who aren't living at a standard that I respect... CUT OFF.
    Guys who waste my time... BYE BYE.
    This stuff is ALL cut out of my life.
    If I sense this kind of thing going on, I feel a wretching feeling in my gut and cut it off ASAP.
    I wake up every morning ready to work. Another 16 hour work day... I'm all for it.
    To me, this is a RACE... A race against time... While the world is choding around, I'm living my life.
    On a related note, GF can be a huge time waster ime. Especially if you allow her to visit you often. Best to stick to ca once pr week, and preferably meeting her late in the evening.

    Foruming can be a time waster too.. Make sure you dont develop bad habits like reading _everything_..

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    Maybe self-improvement isn't the answer.... Maybe self-destruction is the answer. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

    This = stupid

    And this:

    ..you're not how much money you've got in the bank. You're not your job. You're not your family, and you're not who you tell yourself.... You're not your name.... You're not your problems.... You're not your age.... You are not your hopes. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 18

    = delusional, illogical and of course stupid!
    Yeah, money isn't important. For me, it's fucking important.

    Fuck Fight Club, garbage book and movie. Though minimalist approach to life is the best key to preserve your wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isidia View Post

    Yeah, money isn't important. For me, it's fucking important.

    Fuck Fight Club, garbage book and movie. Though minimalist approach to life is the best key to preserve your wealth.


    Fight Club is a movie (or a book for those who have read it), an enjoyable one. Though some people tend to see in it some deep, paradigm shifting truth and are so impressed and marked by it. You'll find pictures of "deep" quotes by Tyler Durden everywhere on Facebook of people who actually identify themselves to that..

    In that scene where Ed Norton and Brad Pitt hop on the bus, Ed looks at a Calvin Klein ripped men in their undies, and Tyler laughs at them ... And I was like "Hmmm.. Tyler Durden didn't get that ripped body like that, now did he".. He laughs at guys for doing something he does himself.

    I say Fight Club is more than a movie for people who are still looking for themselves. As is "Into The Wild" which is like the shittiest movie people love, with the shittiest actor's game there is, and the shittiest script with an obvious shitty message.
    "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isidia View Post

    = delusional, illogical and of course stupid!
    Yeah, money isn't important. For me, it's fucking important.

    Fuck Fight Club, garbage book and movie. Though minimalist approach to life is the best key to preserve your wealth.
    He doesn't say money isn't important, he's saying you can't define YOURSELF as a person by those things.

    For example, when someone asks the question "what do you do?" or "who are you?" we tend to answer first with what our profession is, but how can a profession contain the whole story of who we are or what we've done with our lives?

    In addition, "having money" isn't about building cash in the bank just to sit there. Money has no use for its own sake - it's a medium through which to acquire other stuff (whether that's physical possessions or experiences). Essentially cash has no use until you spend it (even invested cash that produces more cash has no technical use until it gets spent). People spend their entire lives chasing money and to what end? Are you unhappy right now? Most of the time an increase in income produces a very small short-term increase in happiness but then that effect disappears as the increase becomes normalised. So too, buying a new toy (e.g. a phone/tablet/computer/car/house etc) produces a short-term boost in happiness which diminishes quickly as it becomes routine and therefore mundane. After a certain point (i.e. enough to cover your basic needs comfortably) additional income provides no additional happiness in the long-term.

    If you're interested in making more money, have you ever stopped to ask yourself why? What is it about having more money that is so attractive to you? And once you've truly and honestly answered that question, the next question is "do I actually need more money to achieve that?" Money, as I've previously mentioned, is simply a tool to acquire other things (possession or experience). Very few people want money simply to watch a bank account number go higher (indeed a lot of the billionaires whose biographies I've read have often mentioned that they're not motivated by money as much as they're motivated by challenge). When looking at the underlying reason for wanting more money, in most cases one of two things is true: 1) they want more money to overcome an insecurity (e.g. fear of not being able to eat when they're old [retirement planning] or the desire to look impressive to other people [buying new toys] or 2) there is a way to achieve it without simply getting money (e.g. freedom to work a job you love or being able to travel the world).

    As we know from our study on this board, we are very socially programmed to follow a pre-defined set of rules, regardless of whether these are right for us or not. For example, we're told "go to college, get a good job, buy a house, save for retirement." And doing all these things does create wealth, but unfortunately never for ourselves, only for someone else. Look at the sub-prime mortgages where thousands of people lost their homes and even more lost value on them (a decrease in wealth) - most of these people didn't buy houses because they were good investments or because they understood the situations, but because they were told to, for most of their lives.

    So the quote isn't trying to say that money is or isn't important, it's saying that money in the bank is not how you define yourself. And until you define yourself, you'll keep looking at things like your job, your bank balance, who you hang out with, what you buy etc to try and work out who you are. But you are already a complete person and you should work out WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU WANT and THEN start working out things like money etc.

    Money is a tool. A hammer is a tool. A hammer only has any use if you have to hit in a nail. Likewise with money - collecting it for its own sake is a waste of your life. Understanding what you want and knowing what money you need to achieve that puts you in a position of power. Because otherwise, when is it enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vautrin View Post


    In that scene where Ed Norton and Brad Pitt hop on the bus, Ed looks at a Calvin Klein ripped men in their undies, and Tyler laughs at them ... And I was like "Hmmm.. Tyler Durden didn't get that ripped body like that, now did he".. He laughs at guys for doing something he does himself.

    That's because Tyler Durden is a figment imaginative character that the main character created in his neurosis as an example of who he would like to be had he not bought into the matrix bullshit of needing money, status, and possessions. As you can see his "ideal" self, aka TD, is not deluded from the bullshit, has no fear of death/living, and fucks chicks. The main character is an unfit depressed slob suffering from insomnia who works a desk job, Tyler Durden is a fit fearless "perfect" self, who the main character wishes to be, so he acts as if.

    Did you watch the end of the movie?

    Also the term "self-destruction" is referring to destroying the ego. What's the point of self-improvement if you're afraid of living life. You need LESS bullshit, not more. This is why he takes the guys into a car and crashes the car, to get them to face death so that they can appreciate life. This is why he puts the gun to the convenience store clerks head and says "If you're not achieving your dream I will find you and kill you", again, to wake people up from their 9-5 daily routine and to live their life, he does this by putting the gun to his head so that he realizes that this could be the final moment he is alive and up until now he has nothing to show for it. See Ijjjji's quote.

    He laughs at the ripped body, because what's the use of being strong when you don't use your strength? It's just for appearances, and appearances are fake. E.g. ripped guy who works 9-5 office job vs strong man because farms and works his off all day. One is real, the other is fake.

    "Who you were in fight club is not who you were in the rest of the world. The guy who came to fight club for the first time, his ass was a wad of cookie dough, after a few weeks, he was carved out of wood"
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    For example, when someone asks the question "what do you do?" or "who are you?" we tend to answer first with what our profession is, but how can a profession contain the whole story of who we are or what we've done with our lives?

    Well, I am not sure what place on earth you are living. You are defined by your utility to the rest of the world. Agree? High income jobs certainly will make people respect you, this is common sense. You are much more respectable than a bum who has no jobs, or works in Mc Donald.

    If you're interested in making more money, have you ever stopped to ask yourself why? What is it about having more money that is so attractive to you?

    This part I can answer, having more money means I can do a whole lot more things, more options open to me.

    Very few people want money simply to watch a bank account number go higher (indeed a lot of the billionaires whose biographies I've read have often mentioned that they're not motivated by money as much as they're motivated by challenge). When looking at the underlying reason for wanting more money, in most cases one of two things is true: 1) they want more money to overcome an insecurity (e.g. fear of not being able to eat when they're old [retirement planning] or the desire to look impressive to other people [buying new toys] or 2) there is a way to achieve it without simply getting money (e.g. freedom to work a job you love or being able to travel the world).

    I don't know what to say, except that there is a difference between a guy who knows how to make good money, and a guy who works his arse off for a company. The former usually has a lot of freedom in his hands, the latter has not much time for himself.

    For example, we're told "go to college, get a good job, buy a house, save for retirement." And doing all these things does create wealth, but unfortunately never for ourselves, only for someone else.

    I agree. But bear in mind if you come from a different background, then a degree from a top-notched university in a challenging field ensures you a very satsifying career opportunity. There is no one-size-fits-all.

    So the quote isn't trying to say that money is or isn't important, it's saying that money in the bank is not how you define yourself. And until you define yourself, you'll keep looking at things like your job, your bank balance, who you hang out with, what you buy etc to try and work out who you are. But you are already a complete person and you should work out WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU WANT and THEN start working out things like money etc.

    This statement is full of contradictions, I am afraid. My assumption is that I am always in a state of imperfection, therefore self-improvement. I learn from others to become good at other things.

    Money doesn't define you. I don't know. I am afraid to engage in a semantic debate here, let just say money buys you freedom. And freedom, freedom, is a valuable thing.

    To wrap up my opinion, I agree that you should not spend on worthless shits, on stuffs that are redundant, being minimalist to your approach if you can't afford luxury. But to move up to the next level, you need some dough to roll so you can enjoy a higher quality of life.

    It's the basic premise in your OP that I agree.

    How about Fight Club, LOL, I won't change my mind.
    A piece of nihilistic shit that breeds mediocrity. It's correct from some angles to expose consumerism, but it's also a mess filled of contradiction. A piece of entertainment at best.

    He laughs at the ripped body, because what's the use of being strong when you don't use your strength? It's just for appearances, and appearances are fake. E.g. ripped guy who works 9-5 office job vs strong man because farms and works his off all day. One is real, the other is fake.

    There are certainly values in this statement. But in terms of chicks, since this is forum about getting chicks, let just say they don't give a fuck what is fake and what is real. A nice body in general will light their eyes more than a skinny slob.

    Besides, most farmers in my country have the worst body you ever see! JFYI.

    However, that doesn't mean what I want. I demand more from my body, strength and endurance. Hence I enjoy being punched while learning boxing. Fucking awesome! You should have a bit of masochist tendency to fully engage in this sport. HA!

    He laughs at the ripped body, because what's the use of being strong when you don't use your strength?

    Man can you think more before you write. He is an idiot. Guys who look like models spending a lot times to sculpt that kind of body. The body reflects your mind, your characters. I was skinny before and I could barely lift a girl in clubs, now medium sized ones are my toys.

    When you look at an MMA fighter what do you see, a great body! Behind that is a lot of aggression that defines manhood. You got it now.

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