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    Exclamation No Cross Posting Allowed - Read This Now - Important

    We cannot allow cross posting articles. That means, if you made a post an at some other site, you cannot post the same article here.

    In particular, do not cross post articles here and at mASF, AKA Fast Seduction.

    Below is the copyright page from mASF. You agreed to abide by their rules and therefore this page when you joined. Other sites likely have similar rules. I do not want to find out the hard way.

    http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

    In all cases, we need their permission to publish your work here.

    I am not going to ask, because I am sure they will not agree.

    Cross posting could get us taken down by our host if they complain.

    Please take down any posts you have made that were originally mASF posts and do not do any more cross posting.

    I am sorry I have to do this, but unless a competent copyright attorney tells me different, I do not think it is worth the risk to this site.

    If you cross posted something you posted on another site earlier and I missed it, please take it down ASAP.

    Use a link to the post on that site if you want to keep the post up and credit Fast Seduction as the origin of the post. Otherwise I will have to take it down.

    And one more time, please do not post copyrighted material here, only a link to the site where it was originally posted.

    Your cooperation in this is greatly appreciated.

    Silvertree

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    Silver, with all due respect, I think you're missing the point below, emphasis mine:

    "Although FastSeduction.com does not claim exclusive ownership of content that its users post, by posting content to any public area of FastSeduction.com, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to FastSeduction.com an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute said content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works of the foregoing as further described in this notice (read fully)."

    I did ask Jay Valens, the former owner of fastseduction, for clarification on this point.

    As the author of the original work, I am certainly allowed to post on multiple sites. Their copyright on my work is shared with me. This means that THEY can reproduce, host, re-post my work as they see fit... BUT SO CAN I.

    I am happy to put a link to the original post on MASF if you insist but I don't think it's necessary.

    Cheers,
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    I am trying very hard to avoid trouble, and not start any hostilities with any site. Especially Fast Seduction.

    I would rather not test the limits.

    It is going to look to them like their toes are being stepped on and even if we win, it could be a pyrrhic victory.

    We do not need the distraction of a legal battle while we are trying to get started.

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    The problem I have with it is it seems to be a restriction on what I can do with my own work, a restriction that Jay told me did not exist. I've got a TON of good content over there and if now all of a sudden I can't place it where I want it, this is a problem for me.

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    I would sure like to talk to an actual lawyer.

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    I agree, a lawyer would be great to talk to, but not just any lawyer. I am going to write a post about screening when it comes to business, over in Lifestyle... in the next few days.

    But yeah Silver I definitely don't mean to break your balls. I really appreciate all the hard work you've dedicated here already, and my desire is to make this succeed. Your rule will motivate me to write new stuff, and that's a good thing. So I will abide by your rule until you tell us different... and I will make sure others abide by it too.

    Thanks again Silver, and BD, for this great forum!!

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    Destruction is the ultimate act of creation. Vive la revolucion.
    We're here. The rest is bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvertree View Post
    We cannot allow cross posting articles. That means, if you made a post an at some other site, you cannot post the same article here.

    In particular, do not cross post articles here and at mASF, AKA Fast Seduction.

    Below is the copyright page from mASF. You agreed to abide by their rules and therefore this page when you joined. Other sites likely have similar rules. I do not want to find out the hard way.

    http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

    In all cases, we need their permission to publish your work here.

    Silvertree

    Silvertree,

    I don't think you are understanding the copyright agreement properly and should remove this warning.

    You are correct that *YOU* would need fastseduction's permission to repost something that *I* have written on fastseduction-

    But as for my own posts- I do retain non-exclusive copyrights to everything I write on fast-seduction.

    As said in the copyright agreement-
    "CONTRIBUTOR RIGHTS: The original authors of contributions to this site retain non-exclusive copyrights to those contributions, as well as granting Learn The Skills Corp with unlimited non-exclusive rights.."

    That means, I can do whatever I want with anything I write on Fast Seduction, including reposting it here, or absolutely anywhere in any format whatsoever as long as I'm the original author.

    I do however give Fast Seduction the same non-exclusive rights.. (note non-exclusive). So they could theoretically compile my posts and sell a book. But those rights are still shared by me and remain in their words "non-exclusive"

    There is nothing in that copyright agreement that forbids us from cross-posting in any way shape or form.

    It's most definitely the intent of the agreement, as verified by Jay-

    $M

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    http://www.fastseduction.com/copyright.shtml

    Read these sections:

    NO NON-COMMERCIAL REPRODUCTIONS WITHOUT EXPLICIT PERMISSIONS & NOTIFICATION: NO PART of this site may be reproduced, in whole or in part, electronic or otherwise, without the express written consent of the original copyright holders AND explicit notification to Learn The Skills Corp (at the very least via e-mail at info@learntheskills.com), with permission being granted, unless such reproduction is is done exclusively by the original author.
    As I read that, it means you can put your stuff on your site, but here you are putting it on someone else's site and it is not being published exclusively by the author, but by you and us jointly.

    NO COLLECTION REPRODUCTION WITHOUT EXPLICIT PERMISSIONS FROM ALL PARTIES: Finally, absolutely no "collections" of content by multiple authors of which such content appears on FastSeduction.com, is allowed to be reproduced in any media even if permission has been obtained by all authors in such a collection, without explicit prior permission (provided in writing) granted by Learn The Skills Corp. In plain English, that means even if permission has been granted by 100 authors to reproduce their articles, no such service shall be allowed to exist combining any 2 or more written works from 2 or more authors without first getting explicit approval of Learn The Skills Corp. Violations will be dealt with legally.
    Given that you would not be the only person reposting masf posts, this place becomes a collection by their definition.

    The easiest way to get a site taken down is to complain to the host that it is publishing copyrighted material.

    We have the rule in place to prevent that.

    All copyrighted material from other sites is to be linked to and commented on, but not posted here.

    We could be wrong, but we'd rather be safe than sorry. We want to put what time and money we have into making this the best site we can, not fighting over copyrights in court.

    Everyone knows where to find your old material on masf. It is not lost if you do not repost it here. And you can link to it legally as long as you attribute it to them, and then discuss it here. You could also rewrite and update it and post it here as new material.
    The older the violin, the sweeter the music. Augustus McCrae

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    What is the copyright here at fasterseduction?

    Is it the same non-exclusive as masf?

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