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    PLAYER GUIDE: Section 9. Back at Your Place

    Previous Sections: http://www.pua-zone.com/forumdisplay...8-Player-Guide


    1. Setting Up Your Pad

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    2. Does She Really Want to Watch a Movie?

    She would like to believe that watching a movie is what she wants, because she doesn't want to feel like a slut (ASD, explained elsewhere).

    Notwithstanding, if she is 18 or older she knows full well (remember girls become sexually aware and sexually experienced very early, today in the West as early as their 12th birthday) that there is no movie, and that what will transpire is of a different nature altogether.

    'Movie' is one of the universal codewords for 'fucking.'

    Other code-words have been discussed elsewhere.

    In short: be ready to fuck her, if you invite her to watch a movie alone with you at your place.

    3. Escalation at Your Place

    There are 2 schools of thought on this:

    1. The 'Hands-off Approach' - take her home, get out a bong, and smoke it up (or grab some beers/whiskey/whatever), then go watch TV. Literally wait for the girl to BULLY YOU into having sex. It is important to note, however, that this gambit will only work if your value has already been established somehow, and the girl desires very strongly to fuck you. This will typically be the case if the girl has been privvy to an attractive leadership/artistic role you've adopted in her presence (Tour Guide, Rock Musician, Actor, etc.) for a prolonged period of time (say, 3 hours or so). There may be the added benefit of her wanting to brag to her girlfriends that she has fucked you. Otherwise, try

    2. The 'Hands-on Approach' - you take her to your pad after the necessary plausible deniability scenario has been thrown around (consider obtaining such attractions for your room as a Bonzai Tree, a parakeet, a fishtank, a ping-pong table, etc.) and either after laying the ping-pong table out, or reaching for the book you'd mentioned, or the single-malt scotch, you grab her and here, finally, begin making out. You can just give her a peck on the lips and go back to what you were doing, or you can make out with her and go back to what you were doing, or you can throw her on your bed, undress her partly, suck on her nipples and STILL go back to what you were doing. Plausible deniability is good because you can always back-track (2 steps back, 1 step forward).

    But why should you have to back-track? Because it is possible that the girl will not immediately be comfortable with fucking you. This is what is termed LMR (explained elsewhere). You might get this type of resistance as far down the road as already having your cock dangling close to her sweet spot, or even inside it, with both of you fully naked.

    If you choose 1 it has to be clear that you are not doing it out of a lack of balls. Your mindset is one where you don't expect to have to initiate/chase/deal with the woman's potential resistances or rejections. Thus you expect her to signal, as clearly as she can, that she is ready for insertion.

    If you choose 2 you can go for things as fast as you want, but keep in mind that it is best to get the girl as horny as possible before attempting to undress her completely and proceed to sex, not only because you will encounter less resistance from her this way but also because you yourself will be hungrier for her coopapy and as such the sex will be better.

    There is anecdotal evidence that PYCO'ing (pulling your cock out) at the opportune moment (say, after having sucked on her earlobe, bitten her neck, and kissed her cleavage/sucked on some nip [all moves that are best done after pushing her onto your bed OR, if you have a couch, on the couch itself]) and commanding she suck it or putting her hand on it can be very effective.

    It is best, like with everything else, to really give in to desire and feel your way through the escalation/undressing/moving toward sex/sex process. This is why going for very sexually attractive women pays off at this stage of the seduction. You will not have to think about how to go about fucking her.

    It is an instinct that you have been born with.

    4. Handling LMR/ASD


    LMR stands for "Last Minute Resistance", and it refers to a woman's reluctance to have sex with you and her subsequent rebuffing of your attempts, typically a short time after you've met her. It can often frustrate men who up to that point had received strong interest from her. However, there are several reasons why a woman might resist having sex with you, even if she's attracted to you. And there are ways to push through her LMR.

    One reason a woman puts up LMR is due to ASD ("Anti-Slut Defense"). Women are very conscientious about what the members of their social circle think about them. If you haven't sufficiently proven to her that you can be discrete, she will resist having sex with you for fear that her friends and family will find out. This is more likely the case if she was seen leaving a venue with you shortly after meeting you. A woman may be strongly attracted to you but still resist sex for fear of the social repercussions.

    Another possible reason for LMR is her lack of comfort with you. This is often the case if you're trying to fuck her the same night that you met her. Women often feel guilty for fucking a man they don't know well, so they'll resist, suggesting that you "get to know each other" first. This is related to ASD above, but is more personal to her. Even if she's not worried about her friends finding out, she may still be worried about how she'll feel about herself. Again, it doesn't mean that she's not attracted to you. A woman's social conditioning (the way she was raised) will often cause her to stall sex.

    One final reason is fear. Women are generally weaker than men, so they always feel at least a little bit of danger with any new man. Even if she trusts you enough to go home with you, she may not trust you enough (yet) to let you fuck her. She may fear being physically or emotionally hurt, or catching a disease. This is a natural response, and she shouldn't be faulted for being sensitive about having sex with a man she just met.

    The easiest way to bypass LMR, and the way most AFC's use, is time. If you spend enough time with her, and go on enough dates with her, she will eventually grow to trust you and to feel comfortable with you, and it will be socially acceptable. However, this guide assumes that you want to fuck women FAST. If you PU a woman in a club, you often only have one chance to fuck her before she forgets about you. And even if that's not the case, the longer you wait to fuck a woman, the more difficult it will be to set up a relationship with her on your terms.

    So assuming you've brought her to a "sex venue" (typically her place or your place), and she gives you LMR, what do you do? The first thing, and probably the most difficult, is not to take it personally. If a woman gives you LMR, and you become angry, you will have almost zero chance of fucking her. You have to expect her to give you LMR, and to not judge her for it. It is simply in her nature, and she can't help herself, in the same way that you can't help your desire to want to fuck her. Assuming you have the right attitude, there are then two methods with which to fight LMR: Comfort and Physical Escalation. Either one by itself can work, but using both together is far more effective.

    In terms of comfort, you simply want to continue talking to her. The more you talk, the more she feels like she knows you, and the more comfortable she feels with you. If she gives you verbal resistance, don't try to logically argue her words. This will only cause her to get upset and close up more. Instead you want to show your understanding. You can do this just with a nod and a smile, or by saying something like "yeah, I know what you mean." Don't linger on the topic however; change subjects. You don't want her to focus on being defensive. Just take it in stride and then continue as if nothing happened. Tell jokes, ask her about herself, tease her a little bit, tell her about yourself, and just in general continue the conversation you had when you first met her. Converse as if being with a woman you just met and escalating towards sex is the most natural thing in the world (which it is).

    While you talk to her and continue to build comfort, you want to simultaneously escalate on her physically. If you have been KINOing her the whole time since you've met her, and if you've started escalating on her when you first met her, then you simply continue escalating on her. You touch her in increasingly private areas (eg. arms, then legs, then stomach, then face/lips, then her breasts, then pussy). At some point she will stop you and give you resistance, sometimes physically, sometimes both physically and verbally. At this point you take a step back and go back to an earlier stage of KINO (eg. if you're kissing her and she stops you from touching her breasts, you remove your hand but continue kissing her). She may stop you several times before finally getting horny/comfortable enough to let you touch her in that area. Don't get frustrated!

    If a woman gives you resistance at the same spot several times (about half a dozen times), then stop touching her completely. Move away from her and just talk for a few minutes. If her resistance was especially strong, get up and get a drink or check your email. Wait a few minutes to see if she reinitiates (touches you). But if not, it's OK to go back and touch her. Start your KINO from the very beginning, but escalate through it faster than you did the first time. The break you took from touching her should have helped her relax, while increasing her horniness.

    Both concepts above, of backing up a step in your escalation, or stopping completely before starting over, are referred to as Push/Pull. The escalation is the "pull", while backing up is the "push". Using a lot of push/pull goes a long way in building up her horniness and desire for you, while simultaneously demonstrating that you are unphased by her resistance and are a man who is comfortable with her femininity. Push/pull can also be used pre-emptively, in anticipation of a woman giving you resistance, to essentially cause her to want you to escalate on her. If used correctly, push/pull will make you appear hesitant about wanting to have sex with her, which may cause HER to chase YOU. And while doing this physically, you also want to use push/pull verbally.

    Verbal push/pull can be done in a couple ways. You may pull physically (escalate), while pushing verbally, for example by saying "I can't believe we're doing this," or "we can't have sex tonight." Essentially you are stealing her excuses before she can use them herself. And if she does offer an excuse first, you can simply agree with her and continue escalating. You can also pull verbally by giving her a compliment, before pushing back, for example, "you smell really good... I don't know if I should be doing this with you." If necessary, you can use harsher pushes, or Negs, like "you're kind of weird" or "your cat is creeping me out." Essentially, despite the fact that you're physically escalating on her, you want her to feel that you're not entirely sold on the idea of fucking her, which will make her pursue you more.

    Escalation and push/pull can take a while (possibly hours) and can wear on a man's patience. It's important to never show eagerness or frustration. You want to lead her to have sex with you without force or judgment. If you make her horny and comfortable enough, she will WANT to fuck you. At the same time, you can't be fearful or hesitant. If you go too slow, or wait for her to make the first move, nothing will happen. You have to escalate on her confidently, and pull back when she gives resistance.

    Here is a super-quick example of fighting LMR:

    - Sit close to her while having a drink. Talk. Touch her arm whenever she laughs. Comment about her hair/clothes/jewelery and touch the relevant part of her body.
    - Slide in closer and put your arm around her. Keep talking. Lower your voice and talk slowly. Avoid feeling the need to fill the silence. Lean in occasionally to sniff her hair and whisper in her ear.
    - During a pause in the conversation, when you're both looking at each other in silence, kiss her. If you're shy, you can first say "do you want me to kiss you?"
    - While you kiss her, move both your hands around her body: Stomach, back, thighs. Avoid erogenous zones for now. Take breaks from kissing to talk a little.
    - Escalate the hand kino. Touch her breasts over her shirt while kissing her (use your lips to distract her).
    - When she becomes comfortable, slide your hands under shirt on to her stomach. By this point you should occasionally graze her pussy over top her pants.
    - Slides your hands up under her shirt onto her breasts. This is the point you may get your first significant resistance. Back up a couple of steps and repeat as many times as necessary.
    - Take off your shirt and her shirt. Kiss her passionately while doing this. As soon as the shirt comes off, start kissing her bare body.
    - Trail your kisses down her stomach. Kiss her pussy over top her pants. Slide back up her body but put your hands on her pussy (over pants) and rub it as you kiss her lips.
    - Slow down or interrupt with conversation as necessary. If you feel her hesitate, pull away before she actually pushes you away.
    - Put your hand down her pants. Rub her pussy over her underwear, then work your hand to her pussy. Don't get overeager at this point. Take your time.
    - By this point she should have her hand on your dick. Put it there if necessary (this may take a couple of tries before she gets the idea).
    - Kiss your way down her stomach, as you near her pussy, keep pulling down the rim of her pants as you kiss lower. If she's ok with this, pull her pants down and lick her out (or at least finger her).
    - Put on a condom "just to be safe". If she says you're not having sex, just agree and keep escalating.
    - When she gets really horny, start rubbing your dick on her pussy lips without putting it in.
    - You can ask her if she wants you to fuck her, or you can just gently put your cock in as long as she doesn't resist. If she does, back up immediately. Don't get upset! Re-escalate.
    - Fuck her.

    And calibrate to the woman. If she's really into you and doesn't give you any resistance, then you can skip steps and get naked very fast. If she's nervous or hesitant, spend more time talking and use more push/pull. And enjoy the process!

    4B. Restraint a.k.a. the 0% LMR Method

    Mandatory: Ignore any advice that suggests a progressive escalation. When things 'heat up'/'escalate', it MUST happen with an definite degree of mutuality. (If you get 'resistance', its because you tried to escalate progressively!)

    Mandatory: Get her sitting next to you. (E.g. start a movie or episode on your laptop, so she _has_ to sit close to you to watch it.)

    Mandatory: Get some form of kino going, but remember: dont 'escalate' it on your own.

    Mandatory: Never undress girls. When things heat up, just do stuff like rubbing and dry-humping until she herself starts removing clothes.

    Kissing advice: Restraint + mixing things up, builds horniness the fastest. Proven techniques are:
    -move lips near hers.. when she goes in, back up repeatedly until she frustrated, then grab and kiss her HARD
    -put lips gently against ear and rotate tongue slowly around ear opening - move it down to ear lobe - stick it very gently into her ear canal
    -run fingers up back and neck, and make light fist with her hair - tighten as makeout progresses
    -let kissing trail her chin and neck down to her chest and up again
    -nibble her chin, neck and ear lobes

    Sex advice: Restraint builds horniness the fastest. Proven techniques are:
    -Rub slowly towards pussy but make a turn so you barely miss it.
    -When rubbing pussy, just graze it.
    -When licking pussy, don't dive in. Home in slowly. Lick inner thighs a lot, barely touching pussy when you change side. Take time licking areas *close* to the pussy before licking IT.
    -When time to put it in, don't! Rub clit with head of cock and put only head inside. Go back and forth between rubbing and putting only head inside.
    -When fucking, start *very* slow and focus on getting maximum range of motion with every thrust. Accelerate much slower than she wants to, or not at all.

    Mandatory: If things fail to heat up/progress while watching on laptop or similar, simply proclaim "Its so late. You should sleep over. Its ok we can just sleep." ..then proceed to pulling out clean sheets for the bed. Once in bed, cuddle up and keep the kino going, including breathing on her neck and smelling her hair.

    5. What Do I Do Once I Fuck Her?

    So you've done everything right and are relaxing in the afterglow of a night of hot sex with that sexy chick you PU'd. What do you do now?

    The first thing you need to do is decide what you want. Is this a one night stand? If so, go home and forget about her. Do you want her for an FB (Fuck Buddy)? Are you interested in an LTR (Long Term Relationship)? Or do you prefer dating several women at once in an MLTR (Multiple Long Term Relationships)? It's important to make this decisions ahead of time. Most men fail to do so, and let women take control of the relationship, which causes unhappiness for both parties in the long run (more on this later).

    Regardless of what kind of relationship you are seeking, there are some basic rules to follow when starting any relationship. Firstly, don't spend too much time with her. In the first few months you should only see her once a week. This will keep her from taking you for granted. Once a woman thinks that she "has" you, she will stop making an effort around you. The quality of the sex will drop, and she won't treat you with the same level of adoration or respect. If she doesn't feel that you are a challenge, she will lose attraction for you.

    A woman may not like that you see her only once a week. She may drop hints that she wants more of your time, or maybe even nag you out right. These are called Shit Tests. A woman will always strive to gain more power over you. It's not a flaw; it's simply a feminine trait. Don't judge her for it or get upset. The simplest way to deal with a shit test is with a smile, laugh, or a shrug. You can also tease her or joke about it, or just change subjects. For example:

    Her: "Why don't we spend more time together?"
    You: "I'm actually a CIA spy, and it keeps me very busy. Shhh, don't tell anyone. So did you see that thing crazy thing on TV last night?"

    Alternatively you can just say, "I'm busy" and drop it at that. The main thing to avoid is getting angry or defensive. That's the reaction she's looking for, and it gives her a crack in your arm to attack further. Just take it in stride and move on.

    Related to this, you don't want to tell her too much about yourself. You should be somewhat of a mystery to her. She should always be wondering what's on your mind and what you're up to when you're not with her. This will keep her invested in you as she tries to figure out, and will also maintain her attraction level. If you tell her everything about yourself, you will be like a non-sexual friend or a brother to her. Also, she should always wonder if you really like her, and should always worried that she might lose you. Again, as soon as a woman feels you're firmly in the bag, she will lose respect for you.

    Absolutely do not talk about other women that you're fucking. Women are socially conditioned to not accept polyamorous relationships. If she knows for a fact that you are seeing other women, she will shit test you very strongly. Instead, you want to Sub-Communicate (by dropping hints) that you have other women in your life, but not admit to it directly. She should think that maybe there are other women in your life that she's competing with. This will keep her looking sexy for you and treating you well.

    Avoid going on too many dates with her (unless you're already in an LTR with her). If she's an FB, there should be NO dates. Just sex. Many men make the mistake of treating their FBs as girlfriends, which causes a lot of trouble down the road. If you only want her as an FB, then treat her as such. Only talk to her to set up meets, and only see her for sex. If she's an MLTR, then it's ok to go on an occasional date, but the vast majority of the time you should be having sex with her. Your job isn't to buy her things or to entertain her. Your job is to give her the hot dick.

    Don't change your Frame once you start seeing her. Your frame refers to your attitude and frame of behavior around her. You should always be the same guy that she met. If you were a flirty guy when she met you, then stay flirty, not just with her, but with everyone. If you were a touchy guy, then continue being touchy with everyone. As soon as you alter your Frame (modify your behavior) as a result of her Shit Tests, you give her power over you. She knows that she can force you to change who you are, and she will only do it more in the future, not less. Caving in to her demands will not make them go away, it will only make them worse. Again, this isn't something to get upset over. It's just her womanly nature; she can't herself, any more than you can help your attraction for every sexy woman.

    A woman you're in a relationship with should always be striving to please you. She should always feel like she has to make an effort to keep you around. She should feel that if she doesn't stay sexy and wonderful when she's with you, that she will lose you. She should believe that you have other options. You do this by not being too available to her, and by having your own life beyond her. And of course you should continue meeting other women. Even in an LTR, you should continue at least befriending other women.

    The most critical aspect of a relationship, and the one thing that will keep her around and treating you well more than anything above, is amazing sex. Many men are selfish in bed and don't know how (or aren't willing) to give a woman multiple orgasms. Many men, once they get into a relationship, become complacent and let the quality of the sex drop on their end. Don't make this mistake! Make sure every time you fuck her is super hot and fantastic. This means that you have to be bold and dominant in bed. Move her around, give her new experiences in bed, tell her how she can please you (this is sexy for a woman). Even if you're inexperienced, you can still make her feel good simply by taking your time. Kiss her everywhere, touch her everywhere. Explore all of her body with your hands, your tongue, and your cock. Don't be too eager to blow your load right away.

    So to sum up: Know what you want, don't change who you are because of her, be challenging, and give her lots of great sex.

    Contributors to this section: Tubarao, Bismarck, Ijjjji
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    Have at it!

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    Added the 2 sections I had previously written for Z's guide. Don't hesitate to add your own material!

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    4. Handling LMR / ASD

    Yeah, as if we hadn't thrown enough TLA's (Three Letter Abbreviations) your way yet. Don't worry, this is simple. LMR stands for Last Minute Resistance, while ASD stands for Anti-Slut Defense, the psychological mechanism that sets in when women start worrying about being perceived (by themselves or society) as a slut or "too easy" and start delaying sex or throwing hoops for the man to jump through. ASD can pop up at any stage in a seduction, but when it pops up with a woman that is alreay in bed with you, we call it LMR.

    She might say "we are not having sex tonight" although the two of you are already naked and all over each other (always verbally agree with this statement!). Or she may resist your attempts to take her top off. Or she may take your hand away when you try to put your hand down her pants. You'll know when you see LMR, don't worry. In some cases, these types of behaviour are only "token resistance", meaning she says and does these things although she actually wants you to plough through. However, it takes an experienced seducer to read these signals correctly. If you are a beginner and encounter LMR, do not plough through it. It's not usually the most efficient method, and depending on how badly you misread a woman and where you live, you can get yourself into serious trouble.

    Instead, take a step back. What you need to understand first and foremost is that a woman giving you LMR is not feeling comfortable enough to continue escalating straight towards sex with you. So you need to give her space to be more comfortable with you. Slow down, let her ease into it. The basic strategy is one step back, two steps forward. So if the move that triggered her LMR was your hand down her pants, take your hand back out and go back to running your hands around other parts of her body. After some time, you can try again. Often, this can be enough to overcome resistance.

    There are a few little tricks, moves that tend to encounter less resistance than the standard way of moving things forward physically. Essentially, most girls will have ASD triggers to the feeling of a hand coming down her panties from the front, or to the feeling of having her legs spread. You can circumvent this by accessing her pussy from behind: let your hand go down the back of her pants, grab her ass...and then slowly make your way towards her pussy from the back. Once you start fingering her, it is often times game over because she'll get turned on too much to worry about being a slut. You can also turn her on her stomach and finger her from the back. You can even escalate to sex like this. It avoids the ASD trigger of spreading her legs.

    However, although these tricks may help in fleeting cases of ASD, sometimes a woman will just not be comfortable with escalating to sex. If she resists two or three times in a row, it is best to just stop your escalation attempts altogether. Tell her you are fine with not doing anything, and that you do not want to do anything she is not comfortable with. Tell her you're cool spending some time together just talking and cuddling and maybe kissing. You have to actually mean this - it is not just a trick you play on her. You have to be cool with the prospect of not having sex with her tonight. Women are very intuitive creatures and can sense if this type of statement is just a gambit to you. If you are sincere, you will see that this will often lead her to be much more comfortable with the situation, and many times sex actually happens shortly after this conversation. If it doesn't, enjoy your time with the sexy girl you just got into your bed and learn as much as you can from the interaction. You might see her again, and there are always more and more willing girls out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubarao View Post
    Added the 2 sections I had previously written for Z's guide. Don't hesitate to add your own material!
    Hehe damn your LMR section is way better!
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    3. Escalation at your place

    There are 2 schools of thought on this:

    1. The 'Hands-off Approach' - take her home, get out a bong, and smoke it up (or grab some beers/whiskey/whatever), then go watch TV. Literally wait for the girl to BULLY YOU into having sex. It is important to note, however, that this gambit will only work if your value has already been established somehow, and the girl desires very strongly to fuck you. This will typically be the case if the girl has been privvy to an attractive leadership/artistic role you've adopted in her presence (Tour Guide, Rock Musician, Actor, etc.) for a prolonged period of time (say, 3 hours or so). There may be the added benefit of her wanting to brag to her girlfriends that she has fucked you. Otherwise, try

    2. The 'Hands-on Approach' - you take her to your pad after the necessary plausible deniability scenario has been thrown around (consider obtaining such attractions for your room as a Bonzai Tree, a parakeet, a fishtank, a ping-pong table, etc.) and either after laying the ping-pong table out, or reaching for the book you'd mentioned, or the single-malt scotch, you grab her and here, finally, begin making out. You can just give her a peck on the lips and go back to what you were doing, or you can make out with her and go back to what you were doing, or you can throw her on your bed, undress her partly, suck on her nipples and STILL go back to what you were doing. Plausible deniability is good because you can always back-track (2 steps back, 1 step forward).

    But why should you have to back-track? Because it is possible that the girl will not immediately be comfortable with fucking you. This is what is termed LMR (explained elsewhere). You might get this type of resistance as far down the road as already having your cock dangling close to her sweet spot, or even inside it, with both of you fully naked.

    If you choose 1 it has to be clear that you are not doing it out of a lack of balls. Your mindset is one where you don't expect to have to initiate/chase/deal with the woman's potential resistances or rejections. Thus you expect her to signal, as clearly as she can, that she is ready for insertion.

    If you choose 2 you can go for things as fast as you want, but keep in mind that it is best to get the girl as horny as possible before attempting to undress her completely and proceed to sex, not only because you will encounter less resistance from her this way but also because you yourself will be hungrier for her coopapy and as such the sex will be better.

    There is anecdotal evidence that PYCO'ing (pulling your cock out) at the opportune moment (say, after having sucked on her earlobe, bitten her neck, and kissed her cleavage/sucked on some nip [all moves that are best done after pushing her onto your bed OR, if you have a couch, on the couch itself]) and commanding she suck it or putting her hand on it can be very effective.

    It is best, like with everything else, to really give in to desire and feel your way through the escalation/undressing/moving toward sex/sex process. This is why going for very sexually attractive women pays off at this stage of the seduction. You will not have to think about how to go about fucking her.

    It is an instinct that you have been born with.

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    2. Does she really want to watch a movie?

    She would like to believe that watching a movie is what she wants, because she doesn't want to feel like a slut (ASD, explained elsewhere).

    Notwithstanding, if she is 18 or older she knows full well (remember girls become sexually aware and sexually experienced very early, today in the West as early as their 12th birthday) that there is no movie, and that what will transpire is of a different nature altogether.

    'Movie' is one of the universal codewords for 'fucking.'

    Other code-words have been discussed elsewhere.

    In short: be ready to fuck her, if you invite her to watch a movie alone with you at your place.
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    I am reluctant to provide advice for this part of the guide.. Basically, this section is shaping up to support the (imo) BULLSHIT IDEA, that you should attempt PROGRESSIVE ESCALATION, and then try to fix the problems (LMR) caused by this shitty method.. Cant see how putting my 'opposing' method inside such a section, provides a lot of clarity on the subject.. But for the record, here it is.. Dun-dun-dun..


    Restraint a.k.a. the 0% LMR Method

    Mandatory: Ignore any advice that suggests a progressive escalation. When things 'heat up'/'escalate', it MUST happen with an definite degree of mutuality. (If you get 'resistance', its because you tried to escalate progressively!)

    Mandatory: Get her sitting next to you. (E.g. start a movie or episode on your laptop, so she _has_ to sit close to you to watch it.)

    Mandatory: Get some form of kino going, but remember: dont 'escalate' it on your own.

    Mandatory: Never undress girls. When things heat up, just do stuff like rubbing and dry-humping until she herself starts removing clothes.

    Kissing advice: Restraint + mixing things up, builds horniness the fastest. Proven techniques are:
    -move lips near hers.. when she goes in, back up repeatedly until she frustrated, then grab and kiss her HARD
    -put lips gently against ear and rotate tongue slowly around ear opening - move it down to ear lobe - stick it very gently into her ear canal
    -run fingers up back and neck, and make light fist with her hair - tighten as makeout progresses
    -let kissing trail her chin and neck down to her chest and up again
    -nibble her chin, neck and ear lobes

    Sex advice: Restraint builds horniness the fastest. Proven techniques are:
    -Rub slowly towards pussy but make a turn so you barely miss it.
    -When rubbing pussy, just graze it.
    -When licking pussy, don't dive in. Home in slowly. Lick inner thighs a lot, barely touching pussy when you change side. Take time licking areas *close* to the pussy before licking IT.
    -When time to put it in, don't! Rub clit with head of cock and put only head inside. Go back and forth between rubbing and putting only head inside.
    -When fucking, start *very* slow and focus on getting maximum range of motion with every thrust. Accelerate much slower than she wants to, or not at all.

    Mandatory: If things fail to heat up/progress while watching on laptop or similar, simply proclaim "Its so late. You should sleep over. Its ok we can just sleep." ..then proceed to pulling out clean sheets for the bed. Once in bed, cuddle up and keep the kino going, including breathing on her neck and smelling her hair.

    Summary: Get kino - Never undress - Never escalate unless both are trying to escalate.

    Afterword: 'Escalate' is believed by many to be 'solid advice' because it can work great sometimes. However, it has a built in WEAKNESS that will screw a lot of guys over: Basically, whenever it works, ANYTHING would have worked, and at all other times, it backfires. Like going hunting with a loud rifle that only can hit already dead animals, thus always scaring away the ones who are still alive.

    End of method.

    (Edit: Added summary and afterword.)
    Last edited by ijjjji; 11-06-2014 at 08:43 AM.
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    Hates: Putting pressure on others. Things that feel 'brainy'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijjjji View Post
    I am reluctant to provide advice for this part of the guide.. Basically, this section is shaping up to support the (imo) BULLSHIT IDEA, that you should attempt PROGRESSIVE ESCALATION, and then try to fix the problems (LMR) caused by this shitty method.. Cant see how putting my 'opposing' method inside such a section, provides a lot of clarity on the subject.. But for the record, here it is.. Dun-dun-dun..
    Hehe, your advice doesn't seem that different than what I do. The section I posted above I wrote two years ago for Z's guide. I can't actually remember the last time I got LMR. But anyway, I'll post your thing as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijjjji View Post
    I am reluctant to provide advice for this part of the guide.. Basically, this section is shaping up to support the (imo) BULLSHIT IDEA, that you should attempt PROGRESSIVE ESCALATION, and then try to fix the problems (LMR) caused by this shitty method.. Cant see how putting my 'opposing' method inside such a section, provides a lot of clarity on the subject.. But for the record, here it is.. Dun-dun-dun..
    Sure ijjjji, if you're running exclusively the omega-game you run then you will never encounter LMR. However if you're an alpha doing fast escalation you might get it (due to high A but lack of C, your method has arguably less A but tons of C).

    Apples to oranges, don't you think? In fact when I posted my LMR busting method a few weeks ago I remember you commented that it was good shit..

    Edit: for the record I don't get LMR often, but I do think knowing this material is useful in a pinch

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    You are all wonderful. This is great advice!

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