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Originally Posted by Impulse
Sorry, I cannot answer you here, because I do not pick up girls from my social circle. I have a very small social circle of close friends, and that's basically it. When I go out hunting I usually go out alone or with a good friend. all of my lays (almost) are from cold approach. all my replies from now on will be based on how I use sex talk during a cold approach. Wether my points hold true for social circles is something you have to find out for yourself.
So Teevster, what do you think of this basic approach for social circle girls (but me not in the friends zone) or girls ive just met. The reason for social circle girls is because im finding it easy to meet women through circles as of late, and I dont know these girls that well, so im not in the "friend zone". These types of girl are generally open/friendly and interested in other guys, and to try and seduce them I need to do a warming up approach for the sex talk.
First part is good, about asking her about what type of guys she likes. However the second part can in many cases come off as uncalibrated (unless you frame it as a "funny routine" such as the "Fuck marry kill"). I would rather do something like:
1. To bring the topic of sex up, ask her what type of guys she likes or point out some suitable candidates that she could fuck (just some way to introduce the topic basically)
- How does it feel when you meet that amazing guy who just happen to turn you on so much that you transcend into a ... totally new world?
- How does he make you feel when he is around you? Passionate? Desired?
- How do you know that you have met this type of guy? what do you feel?
And then reflect back her answers. This is called value elicitation.
Not my style. I think it sounds too try hard and too vulgar.But if it works for you, then do it. I think this might trigger unnecessary amounts of potential ASD, while at the same time not really turn them on. This is not, according to my experience, how women like to talk about sex (but rather how we men would like to talk about it). Maybe you get away with it, because she is in your social circle? You have way less leverage during a cold approach.
2. Tell her she definitely should get laid tonight and get cock from some of the guys/say a few vulgar things (just teasing and testing the waters, other times ive done this it gets her laughing and loosened up, and plus she isn't associating this sex talk with me directly because im talking about her and other guys getting together, being part of her circle im just helping her along)
Not my style either. For many reasons:
3. Subtley talk about some girls in there that you are interested in too and talk about some female candidates (again, giving deniability that the sex talk isnt aimed at her)
- Can force auto-rejection
- Can start frame battles
- Breaks any liminoid bubbles you two may have (read: "you and her against the world")
Using jealousy and stuff to make her more attracted does work, as we have seen Mystery and many others use it with great success. however it changes the dynamic completely. I personally do not like doing it this way. I also think the way you are doing in can come across as "try hard" - the fact that you have to mention that you want to speak to other girls can be seen as try hard and even needy. Mystery and co. never used jealousy that way.
Sure, sounds ok, but again a bit try hard and braggish. If you feel like sharing a story, you are always at risque of coming across as bragging. I would instead just stick to discussing sex, without telling her about girls i have fucked.
4. Then talk about what kind of things you'd like some of these girls to do (or what you like sexually basically, and go into details). If you've fucked a girl in that club/bar already, talk about the graphic sexual experience etc
I might share stories if rapport is good. The way I share stories without coming across as breaking is:
- Start off with a fuck up story (a funny one), before following it up with a very... very intriguing... hot sex story, that is not only exciting, the also full of passion... and excitement.
- Force her to ask me about the story. This is done by using open loops: "Oh my god you remind me of this girl"... "who?" she might ask.. "well I can't tell you really, I think the story is a bit too intense for you" (now you bait her)... "oh please tell me" she will usually respond.. if you got at least some compliance.
- I might ask her to share a story first, if the vibe is right. If I share a story first, i usually ask her to share on of her's as well.
I wouldn't do it. First of all, she might actually end up hooking up with some other dudes right infront of your face. Secondly, from the way you lay this out, something seems off (no offence). This is not the way women prefers to speak about sex... i.e. that whole "go fuck that guy" type of vibe...
So basically, im talking about her hooking up with other guys to introduce the sex talk, and me hooking up with other girls. And then amp up the sexuality from there.
Women prefer it when it is more "emotional"... i.e. you discuss process and what feelings and sensations it triggers. Women are more sensitive than men (usually). The way you deliver it can work, of course, but I think it is a bit too vulgar and not sensual enough for most women. But maybe it works better for you because of the context in which you meet girls (social circles)?
Yes might be.
And plus, there is plausible deniability because we are already on a night out together so she has to be social with me
yes Quotation is a powerful tool. Drexel Scott, is an expert on this. But usually what you do is that you talk about this girl, who happened to be a good friend of yours, a fantastic girl... who find herself in a situation.... where she met this guy... who just happened to be the type of guy she likes... the type of guy who turned her on... the type of guy that would make her forget about the world. One day they met up... (add in a hot sex story).
I think the important thing is for me to talk about sex REFERRING TO SOMEBODY ELSE so she never thinks im hitting on her. This way I can talk about anything sexually and never get her getting cold feet. It should specifically always be about a third party girl.
If done right yes.
And then if I just keep this up, eventually she'll be getting horny enough and associate that horniness with me?
Or is there another step I need to do to get the association with me? I didnt think I had to do anything for that
- How many embedded commands there are in your stories
- How many anchors you trigger
- The amount of rapport you two have (not much is required).
- How horny you make her.
Another thing is that I think its important to be VERY INDIRECT, which is why this type of approach can be better because im talking about me and other girls.
Thing is, I am indirect, but you do not need to talk about other girl. You do not need to be explicit about it. It can come accross as try hard and create other difficulties (as mentioned above). The way I do it, is by talking about sex in general. I am thus implicitly talking about my experiences with other girls. This way I create more tension and avoid the potential pitfalls of being explicit.
Maybe. That being, I might not have big muscles, but my vibe has become a serious player vibe. Long brown hair, with a bun (occasionally), black leather jacket, red t-shirt, tight black jeans, chelsea boots, facial hair... so I do not think the muscle thing is in the way at this point. When I referred to the baby face being a good thing, I was reffering to the fact that you can get away with being uncalibrated and saying inappropriate things. Non of which is the case right here.
Because I have muscle and that might come across as hitting on her if I just start talking about the clit etc..i dont have a baby face and almost all girls know whats up when im talking to them..so it has to be SUPER INDIRECT
I have been using my "sex talk game" for about 7-8 years. So yes I am very calibrated with it, but i got to this point by trying and failing. Again, it seems like you fear ASD and resistance. I another post that I responded to, i mentioned that I do not fear ASD, and that I see it as an opportunity. If you manage to really master ASD busters, you will not fear it. And then, chances are, you will not hold back on the goodies.
This is in contrast to this type of approach here:, from your philosophy lay report..I think this type of approach would be a bit strong for me as its full-on and not enough indirectness in my opinion.
Well maybe the first thing you said (peeing with girl) might have been a bit too vulgar and unclassy to her? There is nothing wrong with fucking up, just change the conversation and calibrate better from the point.
i was speaking to a fiesty russian blonde last night and told her I liked peeing with girls (to introduce sex talk), she was all over me but then started saying how she wasn't easy and Id need to court her like every russian girl LOL LOL, and she's had ONS before and regretted it because there was no courting
Her response is AMAZING because it gives you sooooo much to play with.
For example her bad one night stand experience.... there you can talk about how and why most people just have shitty sex and then discuss how you see it:
Teev: Do you know what I find so funny these days?
Her: No, tell me
Teev: Most guys just want to fuck....
Teev: I don’t want just sex... I am not looking for just sex...Another example:
Her: Really? (confused)
Teev: No... I am looking for GOOD sex... the kind that takes your mind to a different space, the type that makes you forget the world around you, the type that makes you feel spontaneous, adventurous, and passionate....
Her: Me too
Teev People these days just want to have what I refer to as McDonald’s sex....
Her: McDonald’s sex?
Teev: Yeah, it happens quickly. You know the process... he touches you, you touch him back, you kiss... he invites you home, you resist but leave with him anyway. Then, at his place, you have a drink... make out... then you have a smoke, make out again, he tries to go for the kill, you resist, and in the end you have sex with him anyway....
Her: Haha... yeah, I have had situations like this....
Teev: You know the process, you know the taste – tastes neither good nor bad, and you know what you get....
Her: True, and it is not that good after all.
Teev: No, it isn’t.
Teev: I prefer having a four-star meal... I want my sex to be more intriguing.... You know the food will be good, but you surely do not know what it will taste like... it is... interesting... making you feel... adventurous... and you are open-minded to try out new things, making you feel so liberated... and open.
Teev: And I have a friend who happens to view the female body... as a seven-course meal... because, after all, women can get up to four types of orgasms....
Her: Oh, really? Which ones?
Teev: Well... (describe each type of orgasm)...
When it comes down to her desire to be "courted", you can easily tell her that even classy girls needs to be naughty occasionally and that you will help her find a gentleman for her tomorrow. Or i'd might start courting her in a sarcastic way in order to make fun of her and then get back to the juicy stuff. But I would probably just go with an easy solution: "I always court women... with orgasms". If she gets an ASD kick, so be it, then I will use some more fancy ASD busters.
Some ways I could have played it (let me know what you think of these ASD busters please):
This is something I would typically say back in the days, and it does work.
1. I could say that in the right situation with the right guy, she would be a nympho...but I understand she's a good girl otherwise and its ok to be like that? Then say "Im only a sexual freak with the right girl..especially if something subtle/subconscious stands out about her..as if she has a hidden sexuality that needs to be let go."
Ah the moving too fast line... well in this case I would just start using Ross Jeffries "slow motion" routine... where basically start talking very slow and move very slow... "Youuuuuu thiiiiink Iiiiiii aaaaaaam.... beeeeeeeeing.... tooooooo faaaaaaaaaast.... hooooooow aaaaaboooooouuut noooooooow..."
Im adding in a bit of purity with this selectivity to not come too strong on her - the Russian said I was moving too fast and it was just basic sexual chat.
Now you are overthinking. Fuck purity. You get to talk about juicy things by:
EDIT: Is it a bad idea to show any purity yourself? I could tell her im a good boy and it could make her think im a beta but it has advantages of coming under the radar. It will diffuse her so you can talk about more juicy things. It sounds like the ultimate ASD buster by saying you're a good boy but a sexual freak with the right type of girl
- When able to deal with her ASD
2. That I don't just sleep with anyone... "I like to get to know someone too but cant apologise for being a sexual being at the same time..its biological and natural instinct." (Im unsure of this one...it could be more risky and not genuine enough to say your a sexual being. Its better to allude at it than say it directly? I dont think any woman is dumb enough to think guys arent sexual beings)
I just tell women that I am not after sex.... but after good sex
Maybe I could say something like:
"I don't just sleep with anyone... I like to get to know someone too, because I can have a deeper sexual experience with someone I know versus a random one night stand where I don't know them that well") And if she's an ONS type e.g she's from out of town.....I can say "if I have a connection with a girl, a ONS can be exciting"
Well this is a terrible idea if you actually want to have an ONS. You just feed her with reasons to not have a one night stand with you.
Question: If she says: Is sex all you think about? Then what would you say?
If she says that... I would say something like "i occasionally think about food when I am hungry too".
Or I might tell her "Spot on! Yes is there really anything that is more exciting than sex? it makes us feel good, it makes us feel human, it gives meaning to our life. In addition to that, it is soooo interesting, isn't it? Think about it, a lot of our behaviour is dictated by our sexuality and in order to real understand humans, one needs to understand sexuality. Hence this is why I am genuinely interested by sex. So let me ask you, are you not interested in the thing in lie that makes you feel the most good? the thing in life that explain most of human behaviour?"
As I said, any resistance is an opportunity.
But maybe something like (and taking this from you):
"Well, I think society judges us about sex too much. Its something natural that can't be judged.....we become free when we just be ourselves biologically"
Or something like that?
Yes this always work, but it usually not enough to make a girl horny.
Sure do that
Im also going to look through your sex reports and get some other pointers here..its the specific examples/lines I need so I can frame things correctly....and then ill just calibrate those to my style :P
Sex talk game from my understanding now is: basically about having an intelligent sexual discussion. When you give her intelligent answers about sex too (in response to her ASD), she opens up even more and doesnt have any more objections..you've led her to where she wants to go..and it just gets her horny.
Sure some conversations can be interesting, but I prefer seeing it as an intriguing, exciting, yet casual conversation about sex.
Thanks man, your replies are awesome!
Glad you liked them.