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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeMaximus View Post
    I wasn't but she was definitely defensive.

    So... thoughts?
    My first thought is:

    It must be devastating to keep a daygame journal of your endeavors of 2 minute interactions with married women that lead nowhere for obvious reasons. It will make your pencil hand sore for when you need to use it later.

    My first question:

    Do you have the ability to carry a fruitful conversation in any venue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by COCPORN View Post
    My first thought is:

    It must be devastating to keep a daygame journal of your endeavors of 2 minute interactions with married women that lead nowhere for obvious reasons. It will make your pencil hand sore for when you need to use it later.

    My first question:

    Do you have the ability to carry a fruitful conversation in any venue?
    Lol. You're funny!


    Define "fruitful".

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    COCPORN, don't waste your time with this guy. He will troll you into a circular debate. It's all he's here for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circulator View Post
    COCPORN, don't waste your time with this guy. He will troll you into a circular debate. It's all he's here for.
    Wtf???

    I've been applying your guys advice and learning from what I can. I've made progress and I try to be respectful at all times. Where is this coming from??

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    Do you seriously not know what he means by a fruitful conversation?

    I've noticed a pattern where you ask for advice and then argue about it. Almost like you're playing dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circulator View Post
    Do you seriously not know what he means by a fruitful conversation?

    I've noticed a pattern where you ask for advice and then argue about it. Almost like you're playing dumb.
    I ask for advice and then ask for clarity yeah, never argue.

    Like if someone says "you gotta lead" and I say "ok, but I tried that with this one girl and she shut down"

    That's not arguing, that's presenting a fact that needs reconciliation!

    Should I be more direct? Should I ask "ok, but what about this one time, what's that about?"

    Because I'm noticing a pattern where I'm misunderstood and I need to fix that ASAP so pl;ease, help me.

    as for fruitful conversation, I'm not sure exactly what he means.

    I can have conversations where I make people smile and laugh and like talking to me, but I feel empty inside because it's one sided.

    I'm assuming he means a conversation where we BOTH get something out of it. If that is the case, the answer is a loud NO because I can only give people what they want and never get what I want.

    With the milf I recently f*cked up with, I had great conversations with her but it was all one sided.

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    Yeah I think you need to just figure this shit out on your own. You're making it more difficult for yourself by externally searching for answers to everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circulator View Post
    Yeah I think you need to just figure this shit out on your own. You're making it more difficult for yourself by externally searching for answers to everything.
    I'm sorry you feel that way, because I've learned a lot already and you guys have really helped me. Sorry if I haven't given you what you wanted in return. :/

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    Made 2 approaches today. They went ok, nothing major. I feel like I'm losing every interaction I'm in tho.

    The first one was a tall blonde who I noticed. I think she noticed me too because she started walking aimlessly, almost confused.

    Anyhow, I said "Excuse me. Hi, how are you?"

    she was confused and said "good thanks"

    I'm like "cool, what's up?" she's like "nothing, just shopping."

    I'm like "cool, me too. What do you do?"

    She goes "oh I work at the hospital."

    I'm like "Oh really? as a nurse or a doctor?" she goes "nurse"

    I'm like "ah, cool. he wanna get coffee later?"

    she goes "I'm seeing someone" and makes an elaborate gesture with her hands, almost like she was going to show me a ring but she had no ring lol

    so I say "Ok, no worries,take care" and walk off.

    From there I go to the deli counter and there's this older guy staring at me. So I go "hey how's it going?" he says "good. Warm."

    I'm like "yeah it is warm in here. cold outside tho"

    he goes "yes, it's making up for last year, because last year the weather was nice but this year it's getting cold to make up for it"

    I'm like "yeah it's too bad"

    He goes "last year was pretty warm, not like south african warm but it was warm"

    I'm like "yeah. are you from south africa?"

    He's like "no, lebanon"

    I go "oh ok, well it's warm there too."

    He's like "no, it's cold there right now. snow and everything. not as cold as here, but it's cold yeah."

    I'm like "really? huh."

    then he gets his stuff and says "well, have a good day" I'm like "you too."

    After I get my stuff I go to another aisle and there is this cute, skinny, asian milf. my god. this is why I'm learning pick up my friends!

    So she's looking at the hot dogs (of course lol) and I am too. I can't find mine but when I do I put them in my basket.

    I notice she's comparing two kinds of hot dogs so I go out on a limb. I'm like "which one is better?" that's literally all I say. Then she's like

    "well I like these ones better *left hand*. these other *right hand* ones blah blah"

    I'm like "oh yeah? do those ones *left hand* have cheese or something?" she's like "no, these other ones *right hand* do, but these ones *left hand* are on sale so..."

    I'm like "yeah, well that makes sense. But hey what are you doing later?"

    She's like "working"

    I'm like "ok, what about tomorrow?" she's like "at such and such a mall"

    I'm like "cool,m wanna get a coffee later?"

    She's like "no."

    lol, so I'm like "alright, see you." and leave.

    It should be noted she was very comfortable walking slowly with me so I dunno what happened there. not enough rapport maybe?

    Anyhow, that's it for now.

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    Hi Sarge! So much improvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by SargeMaximus View Post
    After I get my stuff I go to another aisle and there is this cute, skinny, asian milf. my god. this is why I'm learning pick up my friends!

    So she's looking at the hot dogs (of course lol) and I am too. I can't find mine but when I do I put them in my basket.

    I notice she's comparing two kinds of hot dogs so I go out on a limb. I'm like "which one is better?" that's literally all I say. Then she's like

    "well I like these ones better *left hand*. these other *right hand* ones blah blah"*********************

    I'm like "oh yeah? do those ones *left hand* have cheese or something?" she's like "no, these other ones *right hand* do, but these ones *left hand* are on sale so..."

    I'm like "yeah, well that makes sense. But hey what are you doing later?"

    She's like "working"

    I'm like "ok, what about tomorrow?" she's like "at such and such a mall"

    I'm like "cool,m wanna get a coffee later?"

    She's like "no."

    lol, so I'm like "alright, see you." and leave.

    It should be noted she was very comfortable walking slowly with me so I dunno what happened there. not enough rapport maybe?

    Anyhow, that's it for now.
    O.k. as I see it, all was well until after the bold star part.

    If you don't mind, I am going to pull this apart a bit and show you how I would have moved the interaction further a long Before throwing out any sort of contact ideas. You almost want to make the first interaction with women, in times like this one above, a hint of who You are and what it Might be like to date you.

    So in the bold, you are both looking together at the same thing, a generally agreed upon idea. So when you open indirectly with "which one is better?" it is assumed that you are talking about the same idea in both of your minds, if that makes sense.

    So now that you are both on a similar page of thought, it is so much easier for you two to relate. You are vibing with eachother, for a second which is why she rambles quickly her train of thought, you are now speaking directly to her in a sense.

    In times like this, where she is on the same page, you want to slowllly flip the page.

    Not slam the book, and pull out a whole new story, if that makes sense. Which is kind of what you do right here:
    I'm like "yeah, well that makes sense. But hey what are you doing later?"
    It is very tough to pull that off, very tough.

    A better transition, IME, or rather what I would do, is speak about the hotdogs while introducing new concepts to the now collective vision.

    ME: "Well, they might be on sale for a reason right? You could be risking it right??" (here, risking it, is more of a smidgen higher energy as telling a joke, and then when she looks at you because you cause a new higher energy area near her, make EC and try and read her a little, a soft gaze.)

    Now you have a better understanding of her frame of mind after a soft gaze for a second or two, an unassuming, a "non-threatening" conversation, (from a girls viewpoint, all men are threatening in that they only want them for sex, type mindset, dont be That guy) and an ability to use her answer to move further away from hot dog talk to real human connection.

    But right here, you kind of be That guy:
    I'm like "yeah, well that makes sense. But hey what are you doing later?"

    She's like "working"
    One word answer, she was let down. But it's oK! She was comfortable and walking slowly with you because she wass interested until you abruptly end the "possibilities" of what could happen by jumping straight for the jugular. Try and dance around the meet up, and perhaps try and bring up non logical ideas to the conversation somewhat early on so it is a playful discussion prior to any sort of exchange. Or generally, try and get a nice back and forth about something they appreciate and you will have better results
    In Ictu Oculi

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