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    Quote Originally Posted by COCPORN View Post
    There is a very simple way to test this. Create a fake Tinder profile using my picture (or any supermodel, really), match with the same girl and say the same things.
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    I want to try this!

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    Stargazer,
    -yeah but what exactly is a 'feeling'.. and how does that differ from 'impression' etc.. (also note, when term was initially picked, it was only in urban dictionary, with a variety of descriptions..)
    -yeah actors can DO it for sure. But how doable is it for normal people who only read a description? And how will they get it 'right' for the sake of PU?

    Cosy,
    -nice! so rather than 'blank', it should be more like 'open (to influence)'..
    -ah I agree - sticky resentments is stopping many. Ive even seen very physically attractive guys hitting this wall, completely preventing girls from being drawn to them.
    -I like the notion of not 'pushing' your vibes on others. It is the 'mutual growth' phenomenon, that creates the 'magic'..

    CP,
    -why tinder as example (the one place where vibes dont matter)
    -Vibing to cover up resentments etc, will certainly burn you out over time!
    -Good point regarding 'teaching confidence' being nonsense. Lets make sure we dont go that route with vibes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijjjji View Post
    -nice! so rather than 'blank', it should be more like 'open (to influence)'..
    Well... "open to influence" is a hornets nest, ripe for the worst kind of misinterpretation
    Cuz people think "I feel shit, and you are telling me to open up?"
    That would lead to total confusion

    Which leads back to my first post where I said, you can over think this and get in the weeds
    I personally don't want guys over thinking vibes, or tension, or sensuality. cuz there are a million ways to get it wrong
    "oh I act all schmoozy" "oh I act sharp and rigidly hold" "oh I ignore her frame"

    And to all that I say the same thing, don't use a term if it doesn't work for you
    Don't force stupid shit


    Back in the day people used to bow to mystery
    DON'T BOW

    Its human nature to want others to give you the golden ticket to willy wonkers chocolate factory
    But its not going to happen like that
    The sooner you get that out of a guys head, the better

    Show him HE is responsible, that there is no "pua protective veil"
    Let him be scared



    I remember physically shaking, getting all pastey white, paralysed and wanting to vomit
    They don't need to feel wrong for being on the cusp of that same place
    They need to be SOBER like I was when daring to go into the breach

    That authentic, ass on the line, omg I'm gonna die, was WHY I did seduction in the first place
    Cuz I was a warrior, ready to put my ASS on the line, to freak out, get scared and doubt myself to the point I wanted to crawl up into a lil ball
    Thats the risk you take, thats why I give a man his due respect for his balls,
    Thats why I laugh with a guys pain,

    Cuz we are all in the trenches, and SO ARE GIRLS (but I only learnt how much later)


    So I start with respect, cuz, if you can't do that, how are you going to then be authentic and in the moment with anyone?
    And vibing is like that, plus, throwing it off and having a laugh

    Its not craaaaaazy complex, and eeeeveryone vibes to some degree, so you just slooooow down, not get all panicky, and you make a start on it
    I mean thats how I started
    Why tell guys to do it any different than what go me there

    Sure we might not always SHARE that side of it, but its there, and these guys here are clever than anyone gives em credit, they know its there, its just up to them to find it within themselves to accept that, and let go of lingering bitterness and confusion, as and when it feels right

    But thats the hard part
    When do you risk it?


    I dunno, hard to say
    The windows we get to do so are often small, confusing and close up quickly, so I say, have your wits about you, be spry footed, and do it low key, then maaaaaybe you pull it off
    And if you do, daaaayum
    Enjoy :P

    Its all part of it
    If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be so important to get it right

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    -Thanks for the elaboration, and apologies for my tendency to jam things into a single sentence (or single word)!
    -Yea I started with very 'trench' expectations. Everyone should. Better to let it be surprisingly easy, than other way around.
    -Yea female PU seems fiercely trenchy compared to male PU.

    -I saw a lovely vibe in public transport today.
    -Just as I stretched in my seat (like a cat), girl sitting opposite had me thinking she looked amused, but her face/facade did not change at all...
    -Im guessing it was all in the eyes.
    -Oh and she looked very pretty at this point!
    -Im thinking that this 'blank canvas' type vibing can be of the great quality, compared to using strong expressions.
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    Ok how about this

    Beginner: Simple what not to do and challenging their perception
    Intermediate: Activity, critical experimentation
    Advanced: Vibe and outlook

    The only problem with such a system is there is no way to get from one stage to the other
    So you learn all the typical pitfalls of guys, then you face anxiety that gets you stuck kjing and thrashing about or generally worrying about appearance of success
    You magically get past that to be healthily active, and capable of using your eye properly to critically experiment, but most of this doesn't get you laid so you trip balls and get concerned about their being something wrong with you, bad looks, bitterness at the girl, yadda yadda yadda
    Lets say you then magically get past that and get into vibes and get laid, often your outlook is then unclear leading to most guys repeating on a loop previous insecurities

    Its those in between parts that we really don't have answers on. How to go from A to B to C, and most of that is cuz, you can't teach a guy to fully engage himself, but also, information is a bit thin, Though it is thin by nature, cuz there really is no natural way to teach the in between parts.


    Why can't they satisfy the transitions?
    My studies on it, took me into physiology, and I believe it has to do with enzymes
    Just so guys know wtf I'm talking about, enzymes speed up chemical reactions in the body, without them the process is slow
    So, basically if your enzymes aren't in the right role or passive, the chemical reactions triggering certain energies and clearing away certain waste products are slow
    This forces a guy to try to PRETEND to make his process faster, but it only serves to increase his volume, or make them hyper, and then waste products build up making the guy feel ill and pissed off.

    Now, how to enzymes get better engaged?
    Well, it depends on two systems imo
    The nervous system and the blood (and possibly lymph)

    The parasympathetic nervous system needs to activate in order to get certain enzyme processes working
    It is experienced as a "slow" feeling, but counter intuitively it speeds certain chemical reactions up that help all sorts of things,
    This is why, mentions of food, pausing and drawing out moments, etc can have a decent benifit, also excercise can help make it work better

    Now this won't work entirely properly unless the blood cooperates, and by triangulation my best guess is the liver (this part is pseudo science where the above is solid)
    I believe the liver leads the way to how the brain experiences certain chemical stimuluses, so for example it inriches the blood then the brain sees moredetails in the environment, if it desaturates the blood you get a very "stinging" and rigid thought process, cuz the blood is a resource for the brains activity, and its chemical processes.
    So it can create drag, or can give you a nurishing push, at the "gut" level.

    I believe this is the biology behind it.
    And we have no idea the connection of the mind, certain approaches to things, to stimulating these processes.
    Though thats not the only problem, as we don't really know how they then relate to long term skill retention.
    It seems however that it really does take a long time of active practice and progress to have these processes become effective long term.


    Soooo...
    There is a biological component to progress that can't really just be "magically" waved off.
    And while that is going on, human nature tends to make people snippy, cuz, failing sucks and just the thought of it grates on a person.
    So its not really accurate imo for anyone to chastize, as progress on the biological level operates on its own timescale.
    Though, heavy reaction and impatience, really does seem to inhibit biological progress, so there is some case for selectively pushing a person to reduce that and be more accountable, but, eh...
    It tends to fuel reactions just as much as anything else unless the guy himself is authentic enough already, then it can help.

    I dunno, its good to be aware it has limits to shove people.
    A friend of mine calls it giving a guy enough space to develop his "inner compass"
    For example, an actor being pushed by a director too hard will have no ability to use their inner compass to add depth to a character they play, so it'll come across much more forced and rigid

    I think this is where the community comes in as both a help and a hinderance
    If you are relaxed, you can come here and develop that sense of things at a nice pace and be involved,
    But if you get too much conflict, you get pressure, and yeah give forced rigid performances, so need to take a break, "chill out", and try not to villify people (or you shut off the ability to find your compass) but also, if you believe people too much, get all fanboy too much, you can also lose touch with YOUR inner compass, and withh its loss your motivation gets stale and your vibe will be off, hence why a hiatus now and then for people can be a good thing.


    In my experience learning all kinds of stuff, I find the fastest route to learning is to only very lightly learn the subject at first and skim through things, and slowly foster more creative thought on it, until it fits into your everyday thoughts (but doesnt overtake everything too much), to then be ambitious in action, rather than in "needs". The more I've softened up my learning process that way, the faster I learn.
    For example, just recently I learned a lot about chess
    I didn't do this intentionally, its just that I thought on it lightly because I write a book about a character who plays, and it stirred up a lot of creativity and progress came fast.
    Before that, poker,
    Before that spanish
    Before that physiology
    Before that writing, etc etc etc

    The more I get used to it the faster I seem to learn. Cuz brute force learning really has its place, but you also need perspective to help it develop in a balanced way too.


    My transition in chess btw, took me from intermediate to advanced, going from critical thinking on strategy to just seeing themes and feeling vibes of certain formations and changing my outlook to suit. Before that I was of course just uncomfortable and couldnt even critically think. The stages are always the same but progress always comes differently due to your own specific relationship to the new skill.
    (shrugs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijjjji View Post
    I totally forget about the 'dark side' Cosy talks about in his reply... And it too underlines some of the weaknesses in the actionability of vibes. Simple example: Creepy is a vibe! (and it can come, even if you tried to vibe something nice).

    What glow says is very nice, that we should not lose hope - not box our self in, just because it is hard to make vibes actionable in an easy way right now. Im sure people who are enthusiastic will not give up, even if majority of people will still critique them for talking about something seemingly impossible/undoable..

    "Cosy talks a lot about trances and how new realities manifest as a consequence." -Corvette, Nov.17, 2008.

    Before Cosy, there was very little direct talk about vibes:
    -2002 GWM
    -2003 Cute Emulation http://www.pheromonetalk.com/ijjjji-...tion-7910.html
    -2004 'Alphaness'. 'Disinterest'. 'State control'. 'Frame control'.
    -2006 Actual term 'vibe' was probably suggested by me. http://web.archive.org/web/201001140...6-10-24a.shtml

    Bonus content - Cosy on Immersion (lovely subject): http://web.archive.org/web/201305311...8-06-30a.shtml
    This opens my eyes to how little I understand of terms that have been discussed and narrowly defined before I discovered mASF in 2010. My apologies if sometime I seem clueless and that I don't know what I'm talking about. It's because in someways I am. And I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijjjji View Post
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    -Im thinking that this 'blank canvas' type vibing can be of the great quality, compared to using strong expressions.
    I'm trying to understand this. Blank canvas has worked for me as in offering a sounding board and dreamy eye contact surrounded by a serene faccial expression. The girls could gaze deeply in my (empty) soul and populate it with whatever emotion they needed to. This did get me laid. It's creepy as hell to me now, but it did get me laid in the past. Moreover, I had the sense that sometimes the girls knew that I'm not providing any substance, and that they not only didn't mind it but they preferred it that way. Visual aids: Masters of the Blank Canvas
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    Blinking is the height of their emotional communication. (Ugh!) These guys have made a career out of staring in the camera and providing a blank canvas on which (mostly female) audiences could paint whatever emotions they wanted.
    If that is what you mean by blank canvas vibe than yes, it is actionable, easy, and will give results (i.e. sex). It's also not very satisfying other than PIV. I can't bring myself to go back to that. How do I balance that "0" with exploring my own emotional life? And hers? Possibly "our" eccentricity (essence?)... These days I aim for a "vibe" that's more alive. Something like:
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecostofsuccess View Post
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    Its those in between parts that we really don't have answers on. How to go from A to B to C, and most of that is cuz, you can't teach a guy to fully engage himself, but also, information is a bit thin, Though it is thin by nature, cuz there really is no natural way to teach the in between parts.
    ...
    I'm chewing on this. It resonates.^^^


    Also "... brute force learning really has it's place..." Yeah: youth. I noticed that about learning (and tools too). Experience enables a lighter, more efficient touch. Some good things do come with older age.

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    "What is your "core vibration"? It is the sum total of your mood, emotion, thought, desire, and belief right now. That's big!"

    http://www.unifying.com/manifesting/vibrating.htm
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    This is a brilliant thread, not sure why its in off-topic to be honest, its 100% relevant to seduction and is the juicy core which explains a lot of behavior we see in nightclubs.

    Few things I want to say from my perspective, and from the perspective of using vibes in nightclub game to seduce women.

    This is going to be a bit dry at first but then it will get more juicy

    And bear in mind this is geeky shit, but its absolutely essential if you want to understand how to re-create vibes. It is not just about anchoring the vibe so we can re-create it (though that is a part of the process) - we need to establish new architecture in the brain by going down different pathways that we dont normally frequent. When those become habitual, we are able to have the vibe we want on demand.

    1. Yes, vibes are 100% practical and doable. I've discovered that vibes ultimately come from your brain function - its which connections are resonating in that moment. We can re-create those by doing specific simple exercises.

    By doing specific exercises (i'll get to that below) we strengthen certain pathways in our brain so certain vibes (in the fullest sense of the word) are done automatically when we want them to.

    Vibe is basically full authenticity in the moment based on the existing brain architecture. The existing brain architecture is the "pathways and roads" which are most frequented in the brain.

    Lets assume a nightclub situation where you are dancing next to 2 girls. You've just got a drink at the bar and you've just turned around and stood in a spot with the girls nearby. The brains between you and the girls are computing billions of calculations across "established roads" in each other's brain.

    If your calculations are off because your brain signalling is going down the wrong pathways, what you'll find is that there is not a match in vibe. You feel a rigidity to engage with the girls, and the girls find a rigidity to engage with you on a subconscious level - you don't automatically gravitate to one another and there is a sort of "hidden barrier" that stops the two gravitating automatically....so you dont automatically engage in the conversation with one another.

    So then here is where this pua idea of "you need to cold approach them" comes from - when the mutual vibe is lacking and you need to rely on a totally different mode to engage in the conversation - which can then fall flat on its face because you aren't authentic to the girls in the moment (which would happen if the pathways you were accessing in the brain were those of emotional saviness and being authentic to others in the moment..a truly open vibe that others resonate with and draw into)

    This is all happening at the brain function level. If all we do is continue to access pathways of emotional saviness, being authentic in the moment and having a truly open vibe we will find ourselves getting into the right conversations at the right time. People will gravitate to us and us to them...and then seduction boils down to "riding the current" of your focus in that moment

    There is no human behavior that cant ultimately be explained using brain function, and the connections that are being travelled to in the brain

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    Exercises To Do

    First and foremost, some general info:

    1. You need to create and strengthen new pathways in the brain. Once certain pathways have been "travelled to" enough times in the brain, they become strong and affect our actions/behavior in the moment. It means we are able to recreate the vibe we want on demand. The vibe once again coming simply because certain connections in the brain are being travelled to..if we change those connections and travel down different roads, our vibe in the moment changes.

    2. Doing different exercises together will leverage the effects

    3. The way to influence the brain pathways is through thought + imagination. This is how we change the connections in the brain. This is not emphasising visualisation, which the research shows affects the left brain more and creates rigidity/closedness of the emotional savvy-state - which is what we dont want

    4. We want to avoid "fragility", which happens because we are going down the wrong pathways (which happens from a lack of understanding of how the brain works). If we think of a car in neutral/no gear, we can press the accelerator and it will "rev the engine". This is the same thing which happens with fragility. The car isn't even in gear and we are doing some exercise which is simply revving the engine, and then wonder why the heck nothing happens and you feel this mentally fragile state

    5. It takes time to establish new solid connections in the brain. So, daily use of certain exercises is crucial. As we know, the brain is geared for survival. What that means on a brain architecture level is that any new programming we put in, will be "forgotten" by the brain if we dont continually revise those pathways. Its why you need to revise your school work before an exam..to make sure you know it. Its why you need to practise your martial arts/sports/whatever to make sure you have competence in certain areas. Otherwise the brain forgets and we revert back to our default state

    So with that all said, here is some exercises specifically for creating an open vibe that will automatically get people gravitating to you in nightclubs, and avoiding the pitfalls of fragility and other nasties.

    1. Spend 5 minutes thinking about how you feel right now. How do you feel right now? Think about how you feel right now. Dont add in words or write stuff down or anything stupid like that. And dont go into this weird emotional state blasting up emotions and getting all emotional. I want you to think about how you feel right now. Do this midday (during work) and immediately before bed daily.

    This will take a short while to get the hang of, but what I found through self-awareness was that my right brain would get massaged and stimulated. Im going down different pathways which Im not normally accessing. Society-role mode and business mode is super left brain without much feeling. So by accessing those feelings, we're accessing a totally different pathway, which when strengthened over time will change things massively in a nightclub and give you more emotional saviness in the moment (thats not the full story obviously but part of it, and enough for our purposes just now)

    2. Think of a time when you were having a genuine and deep conversation with someone and think of the subject matter of that conversation. A good example of a genuine conversation is Teevsters mild sex talk game, where he's talking about how people can be judgemental, you dont want to feel judged. Think about what that actually means and the emotional frame that is actually coming from - its a different emotional state that is moving towards emotional authenticity.

    Then think about this: Everyone is secretly looking for sex and it would be amazing to meet someone you can just connect with right away. Like that time where you meet someone and instantly know its on, and you feel a little butterfly in your stomach, thinking and getting excited about this mysterious person you've just met and how the sex could be amazing, where you just literally jump on top of each other and eat each other like theres no tomorrow...its what everyone secretly wants and fantasises about.

    Wouldnt it be great to just chill out and just be yourself and have this amazing connection with someone? Thats what leads to the best sex

    ^This kind of mode and talking at this level is accessing totally different connections in the brain. If we strengthen those pathways by travelling down them often, we will develop more emotional saviness and authenticity in the moment, to talk to people on a deeper level instead of being stuck on the surface "society/business mode" - which is ultimately super left brain and a no-vibe/emotionally restrictive..we will find ourselves getting into the conversation easily, AA disappears and gravitation is our second name

    So, do that exercise for 5-10 minutes per day as well - to strengthen connections down those other pathways and talking on the authentic verbal level.

    BTW, this is why some black guys (im not racist) have a reputation for being naturals - they have it in their GENETICS to naturally go down this kind of conversational pathway....they talk more about social interaction, how people react socially and have emotionally intelligent social interpretations of things. The beauty is you can also do it on demand and create those same pathways...genetics isnt a limitation

    And BTW, deeper social level conversations is generally how women interact with one another. So if you talk on their level, they notice it right away and its authentic and the conversation flows more easily - they feel that you understand them better and that your "being yourself". And your vibe changes in the moment that allows the gravitation to happen more easily

    3. Imagine an alternative childhood where you were successful with women and able to vibe and connect to them authentically, and feel what that authentic vibe felt like

    This will take time to develop but daily habit is the key. By imagining a certain alternative scene, we are strengthening new connections in the brain and allowing us to actually do them in the moment. Our behaviors will change and our interpretations of situations will change.

    Obviously this is dealing with just the "initial" stages of meeting women..once you get to know them, of course you'll need way more than just vibe to keep the connection going, but this is going to create new pathways

    4. Imagine a time when you were vibing in the moment and remember how that felt

    This is re-visiting the pathways of vibing the right way..the more you visit it, the more you're able to actually do it. Maybe it was a great night out you had where you were socially on and everyone wanted to get to know you. You gravitated and talked to women so easily and it was totally on

    5. When reading your field reports, imagine what it feels like to vibe with people authentically in the moment, instead of reading your reports with just visual imagery (as that is left brain) - as if you naturally gravitated and got in the conversation and feel what that vibe is like. This is an extension of imagining an alternative childhood - here we're imagining alternative field reports so our actual experiences are interpreted differently and your mind has different data points it can access

    As you begin to vibe with people more and see how that pans out, re-visit that experience often and how it feels to just gravitate and get into the conversation and have it running so smoothly


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    Do all of this immediately before bed so it sinks in deeper into the subconscious. Dont do these exercises too often - 5-10 MINS MAX TOPS or else you could do them wrong, end up mentally masturbating and go down the wrong pathways.

    Its like revising the same piece of information (like an equation like e=mc2) for 1 hour...you simply dont need that. To learn a fact might take you a few minutes max and no more. If you kept learning it for an hour you would go crazy and end up with all this fragility. Its the same thing here. It doesnt take long to create new neuronal pathways. The pathways are easy to create in the brain. The trick though is to keep revisiting those pathways often (not in terms of length of time in one sitting, but length of time over several days/weeks/months so it goes into our long term memory and becomes a habitual pattern)

    If you think of e=mc2, you might need to recap that every few days to make sure you know it. And the more you do that, the more you remember what it means until eventually its a habit and you dont need to remember it at all (in other words, the pathway in the brain is there). Obviously that is a simplistic example purely for illustration

    So, its exercises like these which allow vibe to be created when we want it - its simply the connections we're going down in the brain - its all about brain function.

    These simple exercises will gradually change our vibe, allow us to connect with people authentically in the moment more (without actual "effort" in field) etc etc

    EDIT: Just noticed a major mistake - I dont mean social mode in terms of socialising with people- I mean society-role mode ie Debbie the nurse, Adam the doctor etc...social-roles and business mode. Obviously a social mode ie socialising isnt the same as that - thats not what im talking about - ive gone back and edited the post to make that clear

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    EDIT: Just noticed a major mistake - I dont mean social mode in terms of socialising with people- I mean society-role mode ie Debbie the nurse, Adam the doctor etc...social-roles and business mode. Obviously a social mode can be interpreted as socialising or social roles - ive gone back and edited the post to make that clear

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