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    This post has been ranked 10.00 out of 10 with 3 votes.

    Some clarification on pre approach-hover-ras-paimai etc.

    I stumbled across this thread with a guy saying he was having trouble with the "hover" from my old materials.

    Ok let me explain what it is, and what "pre approach" game is.


    It is so annoying when people don't get this very valuable principle and just say "hovering is creepy" ugh.

    The hover is a trick to make her think she is noticing you first, that simple. I stole it from women, when they stop in front of you and pretend to be digging through their purse or texting. That is how chicks open guys.

    Anyhow, you can do the same, and it makes opening and hooking way smoother.

    First I have to tell you how it works in her head, so you get why doing it is worthwhile at all.

    They did a study on women rating male pictures on profiles and such, and when men aren't directly looking at the camera women like it better.

    This isn't to say eye contact is bad, actually its the reverse, eye contact is one of the best things in a pua toolbox, ONCE you are interacting with her.

    Before that though, it is in your interest for her to feel as if she is selecting you, as if you are of value in her environment because she noticed you. This is what the guy in the profile picture talking to his friend, or looking at the scenery mimics, is her noticing and watching a guy, because she sees some attractive quality or value in him. This is the "reticular activation system" "mystique" the new October man sequence style hype behind the scenes in the pickup community right now.

    For those who don't know the reticular activation system is basically responsible for attention, and what we pay attention to, is perceived as having higher value by our intellectual mind, because of course we all think we are geniuses and wouldn't choose to pay attention to something that isn't valuable *cough*stripper*cough*. The reticular activation system in pickup artist terms and use can be used to make her feel as if she sees value in you, on the opener.

    This is what the hover stimulates and the process it mimics. And it doesn't have to be a "hover", what I do now is stop and pretend to be texting, right near her, until I catch her noticing me in her peripheral vision, with my peripheral vision, I then turn AS IF she noticed me and say "oh hey, hi" then open. Versus walking in directly from across the room as an obvious pickup artist or "confronter" of some sort, I just noticed her notice me so I said hello, then I noticed something about her, and I am off and running.

    When formhandle, crablouse and I developed the early stages of this stuff back in the early 2000s as paimai, no one got it. I simplified it with "the hover", but the name got dumb knee jerk reactions of course of "that's creepy, let me reword it and steal it a year from now". Now people are trading it behind the scenes like its a secret hologram card of Jose Canseco or something.

    The principle is fairly simple though, don't burst in, frame the interaction "as if" she noticed you, and you noticed that, and something about her, that got you talking to her.

    This is mostly a day game or small quiet lounge or bar thing of course. (P.S Anyone doing loud noisy dance club game exclusively is missing out anyway. None of the best guys when referring to "club game" are actually doing club game, it's garbage, we mean lounges and night spots, not speaker blaster extremo vibrate your fillings out of your head clubs.)


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    Awesome! There's a lot of ways to do this. Smartphone is the easiest by far, but if you're at a bar you can be looking at their drink selection or looking for the bartender. If you're sitting down, you can be looking towards the door as if you're expecting someone. Both of these are nice because they allow you to pass your eyes over your target without seeming like you're looking at her, or to check out multiple women.

    I think a lot of guys do this subconsciously already. The only difference with AFCs is that they try to be sneaky about it. They'll bend over their drink, their phone in their face, and occasionally glance around. If instead you lean back, relaxed, like you own the place, and just let your eyes wonder everywhere without focusing on any one thing, then you won't look like a creep.

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    Thanks Gunwitch. I've had trouble with the hover because she doesn't look at me. But I didn't get that they could just be looking at me out of their periphial vision. That makes a ton more sense.

    What do you consider a valid blowout. There are times a chick is giving me one word answers or like the what do you watch on t.v question she'll say to me "I don't watch t.v."
    In my opinion she's blowing me out most of the time.

    But there was this one time a chick was walking away and I asked her if she wanted to get coffee. And she was then all over me haha.

    As well I've been buying a lot of dvd's on sitcoms that are popular at the moment because I haven't watched a lot of tv. Is there any advice you could give on relating to women with this stuff. I think you gave one example on Family Guy. Something like Why hasn't peters wife divorced him. Any tips? Maybe this is gonna take a little experimentation on my part though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunwitch View Post
    When formhandle, crablouse and I developed the early stages of this stuff back in the early 2000s as paimai, no one got it. I simplified it with "the hover", but the name got dumb knee jerk reactions of course of "that's creepy, let me reword it and steal it a year from now". Now people are trading it behind the scenes like its a secret hologram card of Jose Canseco or something.
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    I do this by mingling my way through all the girls. (Having an ever increasing effect on each girl I talk to after the first, since girls auto-detect when new boy-girl-links are about to form. I was never able to explain reason for this snowball effect of rising attraction before, so thanks a lot for this thread!)

    Oh, and I do a different (yet similar effect) thing when finding very hot girls in parties.

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    This is brilliant, I've also written about this so sorry if I inadvertently broke copyrights

    One remark though, I would try to avoid using the phone as a clutch as it is the go-to move when I (and many people) feel socially inadequate and try to mask it. I think people can see through it. Best is to socialise with someone - even geeks and ugly girls, instead, or ideally friends of the hot girls (it's also the best way that hot girls will open you, two birds in one stone).
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    The Pre-Approach Invitation Male Approach Invitation has been a brain breaker indeed. How do I make a subtle approach invitation so that the girl will give me an approach invitation??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunwitch View Post
    And it doesn't have to be a "hover", what I do now is stop and pretend to be texting, right near her, until I catch her noticing me in her peripheral vision, with my peripheral vision, I then turn AS IF she noticed me and say "oh hey, hi" then open.
    If you explain it this way it is actually very easy to understand. Thanks for the clarification. So basically you just show up, doing your thing (texting, pinging or whatever) and you open after she noticed you. Easy.
    "I eat her ice cream, she eat my ice cream cone." - Lil' Wayne

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    This post has been ranked 10.00 out of 10 with 4 votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post
    The Pre-Approach Invitation Male Approach Invitation has been a brain breaker indeed. How do I make a subtle approach invitation so that the girl will give me an approach invitation??



    If you explain it this way it is actually very easy to understand. Thanks for the clarification. So basically you just show up, doing your thing (texting, pinging or whatever) and you open after she noticed you. Easy.

    Yeah there are TONS of ways to do it. I can't give away the store, but a quick example of a more complex one I will often use in loud dance clubs is another poorly named (for marketing purposes) technique I call "loser dancer".

    I go up to the hottest most intimidating chick in the place, I am talking like 6'1'' bikini model dressed for the Oscars shit here. I tell her "hey my friends over there bet me that you would never dance with me no matter what, please help me prove them wrong".

    Every time, they take me on the dance floor and are totally slutty and gyrating all over me.

    I watch for other chicks to notice this, they think I know this intimidating "alpha chick" this "social 10" and walked right up and got her fuckin twerking my dick and rubbing me all sexy. Those girls I see watching, I go approach later on, and open and hook like I'm Brad Pitt.

    I got those chicks attention, without trying, and got them thinking positive dominant masculine thoughts about me that aren't even true, pre approach.

    Like fishing with dynamite after that.

    All at the expense of one chick, who isn't even MY 10, just a social acceptable image of a 10, thinking I am a loser, I have several of the hottest chicks in the place as easy open and hook prospects. Works for me.



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    Thx gun but a little more questions :
    How the hell you catche them using their periphical vision? I have a little idea but want to know your answer too!

    And for the fact that many use it withc word changing you can chack thisn it is the Hover !!(Look at the end parts)
    http://fr.scribd.com/doc/62781352/Slow-Opening

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    Haha I've been doing this a lot. I've always thought I was being a pussy compared to PUAs, turns out I was using an advanced hologram technique. :P
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